9107. Experience has allowed me to know plainly in what way the spirits belonging to our planet and the spirits belonging to Saturn are different, and at the same time to know how the spiritual or internal man and the natural or external man conflict and clash with each other when the latter is without faith or charity. For in the Grand Man spirits belonging to Saturn correlate with something which lies between spiritual perceiving and natural perceiving, though tending away from the natural and towards the spiritual, 8953, whereas the spirits belonging to our planet correlate with natural or bodily perceiving. This being so, the latter correlate with the external man, but the former with the internal. How great the conflict and clash between them is when the external or natural man does not receive spiritual life through faith in and love to the Lord has been shown to me by the following experience.